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Daniel Walters's avatar

I assume it's being a negligent manager or leader based on your definition. So by extension we are examining is ANY use of OKRs are a form of negligence by managers.

There's no debate that some use of OKRs is reflective of negligent behavior - such as using OKRs for managing teams rather than supporting alignment and awareness across teams, linking OKRs to performance and other incentives, disempowering by managers setting the OKRs for their teams, disempowering by defining goals as outputs or actions on behalf of teams, disconnecting from learning by tracking progress through activities without considering what causal relationships may exist, working without a hypothesis...

But what Noah has put out there and you have asked me to consider (and I have, long before anyone asked me to) is are all applications of OKRs negligence. Albeit Noah qualified his view in his post identifying that link to incentives, cascades, managers setting the OKRs to name a few are the specific concerns he has with OKRs. But you wouldn't find any experienced practitioner recommend any of these practices. So those stripped away, where exactly is your discomfort.

He also suggested he'd instead use goal trees which are all recommended amongst the same set of experienced practitioners (the list of the people I am thinking of when I use this term was linked to from my post).

You mentioned no discomfort with team goals so what of the remaining aspects of OKRs provide the discomfort you have? Is it that they are public? Is it that cultures that use them may expect them used universally? These are all areas worthy of debate. I suspect there will be shifts in these areas true.

Another area worthy of debate is OKRs as targets. A lot of practical applications of OKRs in organisations soften their effect as targets because failure is more than acceptable its seen as learning and that is valued more than the result over a short period. OKRs are most widely used in SaaS businesses currently where competition is fierce and these companies are trying to prevail over the long term, not just juice metrics. But is it enough to not have the destructive effects of targets. It's part of my affection with PuMP - Stacey Barr has designed a performance measurement approach entirely around not setting targets.

Finally there's some discomfort with expressing outcomes separate with the method as per John Willis reference to Deming 'by what method'. But this seems to be based on what you imagine happens. In my experience where teams are defining their goals they also have a rich view on what their hypotheses are and how they will test them. OKRs being for alignment only don't typically define how they approach the activities so they use any of the wide range of options for engaging and theorising and testing their theories. You don't have to take my word for it, plenty of my colleagues have written about their experiences working this way.

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Martin Chesbrough's avatar

Hi Daniel, thanks for this great rundown on the history of OKRs and their various forms over the years.

I’d like you to consider, for 1 minute, that all the forms you outlined above are some form of management malpractice. My argument is that they all stem from one concept- the idea that achieving an objective or gaining an outcome is the purpose of business.

Your newsletter title “Focus on Outcomes” reflects this philosophy.

At first sight outcomes appears to be praiseworthy. As businesses mature and go through “boom and bust” cycles, outcomes feel less sturdy.

A focus on creating joy at work might first appear flippant. At best this is a subsidiary goal. As with all reinforcing loops, flywheels in modern terms, their efficacy comes when tested.

The same with alignment. Who could argue that alignment is not a good thing, until we are all aligned like lemmings on falling off the same cliff.

The test of good management is not how they perform in good times but how they handle the bad times. Ask any receivership business?

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